DISQUS

svartling · 1 year ago

I think the owner of the post itself can do what he/she wants with the comments on that post. You can delete your comments you get on your own blog, so why not on a friendfeed post?

Shey · 1 year ago

Because the blogger doesn't own my comment. I do. My comment = my content. I should be able to edit, delete, and manage my own content however I see fit. How can the blogger own something that I wrote? Especially if its not on his blog?

Carsten Pötter · 1 year ago

You can't do that on most blogs. If you have commented you can just sit and watch what will happen next. Yes, you make the reservation "especially if its not on his blog", but what you're saying here essentially means the end of blogging as we know it today. You can close comments completely on blogs with that point of view. Blog post here but comments on disparate sites which are owned by the commenters.

Shey · 1 year ago

Blogging as we know it is changing. More and more bloggers are realizing this.

Does it mean we need to shut down blog comments completely? No.

Can we still accept distributed conversations and encourage keeping comments on the posts? Yes. Colin has done just that by adding Disqus and the FF comments plugin. The comments get to stay here on the blog and the reader still gets to manage his/her own comments -- win-win in my book.

Carsten Pötter · 1 year ago

You have a point there. :)

Just one more point to consider, though: Let's assume you wrote a thought provoking article which stirred a lot of discussion on your blog. However the majority of comments were made via systems which reserve the rights to commenters. Suddenly most of them delete their accounts, the systems go bankrupt, whatever. The discussion on your article will be worthless then.

Maybe there is a solution to the problem already. I don't know.

Shey · 1 year ago

I see your point -- but I still think the user should control the content they created. If they want to delete their thought, the should have that right.

It would be great to have a export solution to get around that though, so commentors could keep an archive or backup their comments.

Carsten Pötter · 1 year ago

I completely agree with svartling. As a blog author I reserve the right to delete comments, e.g. spam, harassment,... Though, also Rob Diana is right, discussion was always fragmented. That's why we have trackbacks and pingbacks, right?

While I am an advocate of data portability, this has to be discussed some more, I guess. It's not all black and white.

Andrea Hill (afhill) · 1 year ago

Remember bulletin boards? You would discuss something on a board. You could remove your own comments, but administrators could also remove or edit comments, or even a whole thread. I don't recall this sort of concern of "ownership of intellectual property" at that time.

Michael Beck · 1 year ago

Right on! And nobody referred to their posts as "their content" at that time, either. Interesting watching this shift in terms of how we think about what we contribute to the Internet.

Andrea Hill (afhill) · 1 year ago

Another difference? At the time I was probably posting as "geekgirl0821" or something similar. Nowadays many of us want "our content" associated with our names rather than a cryptic screen name. It's that whole idea of a personal brand.. but just like a brand may not be able to control everything that people say about them, perhaps we as individuals need to recognize a limit to our control.

colinwalker · 1 year ago

Is there not a difference between comments made in a service like FriendFeed rather than those made directly at the blog?

svartling · 1 year ago

Well if friendfeed owns all comments they should remove the possibility to delete them.
If not, I think the poster of the link, picture, text etc. should have the power to remove them from the post.

Laurentiu · 1 year ago

man, this is strange, very strange.

Rob La Gesse · 1 year ago

My comment policy is clearly marked in the Terms of Use page on my Blog. FriendFeed did not make their comment policy as clear - and in fact did not even notify me that removing my feed would delete all related content. Should I have "expected" it to delete associated content? I don;t think so. Should they have warned me that associated data would be removed? Yes, I think they should have.

Rob La Gesse · 1 year ago

Oh, and to clear up one more thing - I was NOT trying to "control the conversation". I WAS trying to control where I participated in it - and I did not want to do that on FriendFeed.

I've been using Social Media since I ran dial-up BBS's in the early 1980's - I am not naive enough to believe that any conversation can be "controlled".

mrbeck · 1 year ago

I offer a different view of what transpired yesterday evening. http://friendfeed.com/e/4d716f6c-2b60-11dd-a8ee...

Robin Cannon · 1 year ago

Whole thing strikes me as a bit of a storm in a teacup. I'd never even considered my ownership of comments on FriendFeed or other blogs, certainly I'd never felt like it was hugely important I maintained rights over them.

On FriendFeed, if the original item is deleted from the feed then it makes sense that the comments are removed also. Otherwise it's a discussion with no initial context, which is frankly just going to clog things up and confuse. And ultimately there'll be a natural selection in any case so that users who do try to abuse the feature, and delete things to remove the comments...well their posts will just end up being uncommented.

colinwalker · 1 year ago

Thanks for all the comments. Rob, the post wasn't intended as an attack on what you did or did not intend to do but as observation on the shortcomings of tbe situation. FF do need to take some steps to resolve the issues around removing data. The difference now to the old bbs days is that people are now far more aware of what IP actually is.